Ive been to Indian sacred grounds and experienced a few situations to influence my belief. <, McLeod, Christoper, and Amy Corbin. Among other endangered species in the area is the Mount Graham Red Squirrel, which is found nowhere else in the world. This western view is very common, because fails to understand the San Carlos Apaches understanding of the land as being sacred for its environmental and historical reasons. [] Vue Intrieure du Telescope du Vatican L.U.C.I.F.E.R.. Theres no way that were going to allow this to be done," people said. The Vatican Observatory Research Group (VORG) operates the 1.8m Alice P. Lennon Telescope with its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. 1.) In 1984, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as a site for a complex of 18 telescopes. Tagged: l.u.c.i.f.e.r., NASA, space, telescope, Vatican. L.U.C.I.F.E.R., which stands for Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research, is a chilled instrument attached to a telescope in Arizona. Several religious orders contributed personnel and directors to the Observatory, including Barnabites, Oratorians, Augustinians, and Jesuits. At the exact era that science was allegedly replacing the Vaticans teachings that the Earth was the center of the universe and solar system, the Roman Catholic church was planning to build the very first large observatories of the heavens. When readingAnd the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. (Revelation 8:10,11-King James Bible) I was interested in the Wormwood star. One hundred years earlier, the Guttenberg Press invention, (taking credit from the Chinese who developed the printing press in the mid 11th century), brought books to the masses of Europe. In addition there is a unique meteorite collection from which a knowledge of the early history of the solar system is being derived. Indian Country Today Media Network, LLC, 18 June 2012. Reasons to Doubt the Earth is Truly a Sphere, NY Times: Vatican Science Panel Told By Pope Galileo Was Right. Although there is a possibility for the Director of the Vatican Observatory to have been confused by the different groups of the Apache, and thus unable to find believers of the mountains sacredness, it is unlikely for this to have been the case. The telescope project would also play havoc with the red squirrels prime habitat, which brought environmentalists together with tribal leaders in opposition. by Greg Szymanski, JD, ArcticBeacon.com, April 23, 2010 Published here: Thursday, April 29, 2010 @ 5:10 AM University of Arizona, Vatican and Jesuits Name New Telescope 'Lucifer' Housed at Mt. Sacred Apache land 'on death row' in standoff with foreign mining titans Tribal members in Arizona are fighting to protect a piece of land they consider their "Mount Sinai." Apaches fight. Mount Graham was one of the first parcels to be placed in the public domain. That's right $87 million. On this mountain is a great life-giving force. Regardless of support from the National Council of Churches, the Presidents Advisory Council on Historical Preservation and the former president Bill Clinton on behalf of the respect for the Apache Cultural and Spiritual life the observatory still remains on Mount Graham. Even incomplete, the project interferes with Native spiritual beliefs. Mount Graham was the free land . **** LUCIFER Built On Sacred Indian Burial Grounds January has another delight: a long total lunar eclipse on the night of January 20-21. The only answer being that central casting and planning want it that way. And why is the Vatican interested and want to invest in something like this? IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. It served not only home to their guardian spirits, but also is an ancient burial site. Or man up and admit you cannot. What if we showed you, however, that there is no Biblical Character by the name of Lucifer; and the enemy, that is hasatan, is never, at any point in the Bible, referred to by name? Could there be more to this story? "It's where we go to gather our medicinal plants, to do prayers. Doubt it The Vatican Observatory Research Group operates a telescope in Arizona called the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope. Mount Graham is known to the San Carlos Apache as Dzil ncha si an. and mysterious name to give to the star plain and simple. Collaborating with the Steward Observatory, the Vatican Observatory built the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) on Mt. So it would seem that though the Vatican has held most of the knowledge of space for over three centuries now with all their observatories, they are only in the modern era beginning to exam the teachings of those scientists who changed the course of history and refuted the Roman Catholic Church. Strange for an organization who was adamant of a geocentric universe. Evil is evil. Construction of an astronomical observatory threatens the integrity of Mount Graham, Ariz., sacred to the San Carlos and White Mountain Apache. The same year, Steward Observatory's Heinrich Hertz Submillimeter Telescope (SMT) also opened on Mount Graham. Tucson. Its just fits perfectly whole Lucifer propaganda. Father Coyne further declared that Apache beliefs were a kind of religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force we can muster.. As one of the Southwest's "Sky Islands," it holds biological riches. May whoever searches here night and day the far reaches of space use it joyfully with the help of God. In 1997, an Apache man was arrested for trespassing on the site while trying to pray. Why would they then be the first to build telescopes to look into space and continue to this day? Nevertheless, Congress approved the construction plan. University of Arizona, Vatican and Jesuits Name New Telescope 'Lucifer' Housed at Mt. The weather forecast at the VATT is provided by the National Weather Service. Spirit of Darknesss! In 1852, the U.S. and "the Apache Nation of Indians" signed the Treaty of Santa Fe, said John Welch, a professor at Simon Fraser University and head of landscape and site protection programs at Archaeology Southwest. These early traditions of the Observatory reached their climax in the mid-nineteenth century with research conducted at the Roman College by the famous Jesuit, Father Angelo Secchi, the first to classify stars according to their spectra. L.U.C.I.F.E.R., qui veut dire Large Tlescope Binoculaire avec un Utilitaire Proche-Infrarouge, et une Camra, et une Unit Intgre de Gestion, pour la Recherche Extragalactique, est un instrument rfrigr attach un tlescope en Arizona. Well, let's leave the Vatican's telescope, and go back over across the street to the LBT. And not only within Christianity has this idea attained popularity, but within various occultist groups, particularly Satanism and Luciferianism, Satan and Lucifer are commonly used interchangeably. And yes, its named for the Devil, whose name itself means morning star [and which] happens to be right next to the Vatican Observatory on Mt. Youve mixed the two up, rather slanderously I might add. Web. (Mount Graham Red Squirrel, Mount Graham Coalition). 03 Nov. 2012. Web. A few things worth noting before we start: Lucifer is never directly or indirectly called Satan, nor is the word Satan ever found in Isaiah 14. The controversy over the sacred land and the protection of its ecosystem continues and now questions the legal state of the already build observatory. The Trump administration is set to approve a controversial land swap, clearing the way for a giant copper mine to open beneath sacred Oak Flat. One of Arizona's "Sky Islands," a sacred place to Apaches, has been damaged by development and a controversial observatory. This requirement rankles many, including former San Carlos Apache Chairman and Native rights advocate Wendsler Nosie. The partial phase ends at 1:51 a.m. Et oui, il porte le nom du diable, dont le nom en fait signifie toile du matin [et qui] se trouve tre justement ct de lObservatoire du Vatican sur le mont Graham Tucson . Telescope. Ola Cassadore Davis, Apache Survival Coalition, PO Box 1237, San Carlos, AZ 85550; (520) 475-2543. Nor does the NT, in all its references, ever cite Isa 14 as the basis for the hasatans fall. LBTO headquarters is located on the Tucson campus of the University of Arizona. Numerous groups, have used this misrepresentation of lucifer to build religions some even claiming themselves to be Messiahs or worldly representations of God on earth. <, Allen, Lee. By the 1930s, however, the citys lights had begun to blot out the fainter stars, and in 1935 Pope Pius XI moved the Observatory to the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo, a town in the Alban Hills about 25 kilometers outside Rome. splendors intolerable blinds feeble, 3.) With the environmental and cultural concerns circumvented, UA proceeded to ignore and discredit the San Carlos Apaches claim to the mountain as a sacred place. This mountain is home to a large diversity of animals that have come up from the heat of Mexico and down from the northern mountains of the Pinaleo mountain range. Settler complaints that they would have no access to copper, silver, farmlands with water and timber resulted in the erosion of Apache lands and by the time the final cuts were made, Apache peoples possessed only 25% of what they had negotiated. All pictures, and stories of space come from NASA, yet little is heard from Vatican observatories as to their conclusions as to what their most sophisticated telescopes are finding. To many, religious and otherwise, the question of who exactly Lucifer is an easy one to answer. - The rugged patch of land known as Oak Flat sits in the Tonto National Forest. The Sacred Sites Summit in Tucson, Arizona, will offer sessions on Native religion and spirituality, the history of colonization and capitalism . The University president claimed that he was unaware that Mount Graham was sacred to the Apache and that the Apache opposed the desecration of this sacred place. What if we showed you, however, that there is no Biblical Character by the name of Lucifer? In fact, most of the early book publishing companies were in and around Rome for the first hundred years books became available to the masses. Reservations were established by executive orders in 1871 through 1874, but Welch said the ordersneverreferencedthe treaty that enabled theircreation. From the beginning of the Vatican Observatory project to today the existence of observatory and its location on Mount Graham has been a conflict of science, religion, and ecological protection. With these rich traditions as a basis and in order to counteract the longstanding accusations of hostility of the Church towards science, Pope Leo XIII in his Motu Proprio Ut Mysticam of 14 March 1891 formally refounded the Vatican Observatory and located it on a hillside behind the dome of St. Peters Basilica. How many more weeks do you need?. Furthermore, the current telescopes and facilities should be taken down and the sanctity of Mount Graham preserved for traditional religious practitioners. Stop the Lucifer Lie! The means through which they went about acquiring sacred Indian burial land is also another dark stain on the dark agenda of the Roman Catholics Jesuits to control all knowledge (and propaganda) about space. Answer: The Vatican did not name a telescope "Lucifer.". VATT is part of the Mount Graham International Observatory situated on Mount Graham in southeast Arizona, and is operated by the Vatican Observatory, one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world, in partnership with The University of Arizona. I took astronomy in college and it is not possible for the planets to move in the sky the way they do without the sun being the center of our solar system. Learn how your comment data is processed. </p> <p>To the Apache the ecology of the area is what makes the land sacred and it is not related to the western idea of a physical shrine. The central sacred importance of Mount Graham has been known to the Mount Graham astronomers since 1968, long before the opening of the Vatican's telescope in 1993. Although this statement may be true, the San Carlos Apache are not alone in their fight to protect their sacred land. Conditions on the mountain have changed substantially since the permit was first granted and the observatory is even less compatible with the ecological and religious importance of Mount Graham. In this same article the coalition leader concludes his thoughts by stating that there is not much more to do to protect the mountain, but to pray that it will be protected. As of 1965 the Mount Graham Red Squirrel was believed to have been extinct. Debra Krol reports on Indigenous communities at the confluence of climate, culture and commerce in Arizona and the Intermountain West. of course you do not address the fact that the Vatican is the greatest and longest owners of large scale telescopes, had a Jesuit priest advising Einstein and that Copernicus book that allegedly discredited the Vatican, was dedicated to the Pope. The environmental protection for the mountain as a place that holds immense sacred energy is crucial for the San Carlos Apache people as well as the biological science community. A key to understanding how long the myth of a global heliocentric, agnostic, universe has been perpetuated on all is to understand how long and deep the Vatican has been involved with observing the heavens all the way back to Copernicus, (who himself became a catholic priest in the last years of his life and studied cannon law). (Mount Graham, seen from U.S. 191, south of Safford, Ariz. Photo by Ben Lund / CC BY-SA 2.0.) When I also read, Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. To name it Lucifer and then place it on sacred Apache Indian ground? In the 1980s and 90s, some 30 universities backed out of project and the Max Planck Institute followed in July 2002 due to excessive moisture and cloud cover which inhibit the radio telescopes effectiveness. Notre Dame announced they will pay the University of Arizona $266,000 per night for six nights each year for telescope viewing on Mount Graham, notwithstanding repeated Apache protests of religious desecration. Papal interest in astronomy can be traced to Pope Gregory XIII who had the Tower of the Winds built in the Vatican in 1578 and later called on Jesuit astronomers and mathematicians to study the scientific data and implications involved in the reform of the calendar which occurred in 1582. To this Apache tribe the mountain Dzil Nchaa Si An, Big Seated Mountain, is a portal to the spirit world and home to their guardian spirits, Gaahn. The Forest Service is urged to deny a new permit and require that existing telescopes be removed. The director of the Vaticans Observatory, George Coyne, wrote that efforts to protect Mount Graham consist of a kind of environmentalism and a religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force that we can muster.. Copernicus explained why the planets do not move in the sky the same way the stars do. <, DiCosola, Maria. News accounts at the time reported that Apache tribal leaders said they were given insufficient notification of the project. Below are links to the optical and instrument specifications to assist observers. The entire mountain and the watersheds that emanate from it should be listed as the traditional cultural property of the Apache. He was arrested in 1997 for trespassing when he was fleeing an oncoming thunderstorm using the construction road built for what the Apaches considered sacrilege: a telescope complex on the mountains peak. At the end of the following century, 151 locations in Italy had seen at one time printing activities, with a total of nearly three thousand printers known to be active. Where does it say the sun and moon hover, or whose research are you questioning? Graham complex came to be and examine some of the Vatican's contributions. Change). The observatory ended up in court and the opponents lost. Graham, critics wonder are the 'evil ones' planning a staged end times scenario By Greg Szymanski, JD April 23, 2010 The University of Arizona, together with the Vatican and Jesuit Order, announced today it named its newest high-powered telescopic instrument 'Lucifer'. But because the mountain was taken away from tribal control, Apache people over the past 150 years have not always been able to find that peace or even pray in their sacred land. Mount Graham was selected for the Vatican observatory due to its exceptional location that would help humans to better understand the origins of the universe. Was there an ulterior motive behind this? Graham, critics wonder are the 'evil ones' planning a staged end times scenario The University of Arizona, together with the Vatican and Jesuit Order, announced Would the Wormwood star be involved? In this July 22, 2015, file photo, tribal councilman Wendsler Nosie Sr., right, speaks with Apache activists in a rally to save Oak Flat, land near Superior, Arizona, sacred to Western Apache . Dedicated in 1993, the VATT utilizes some of the most advanced and innovative optics, electronics and mechanics available once again positioning the Vatican at the forefront of astronomy.. I will just say the path of the moon and the path of the sun were established before humanity and like a train can only go where there is a track. Encircled by a 2-mile border with Italy, Vatican City is an independent city-state that covers just over 100 acres . The site sits ab. "House Votes to Sell Apache Land to Foreign Corporation, Tribe Is . Lucifer is not hasatan, nor is it a proper name, but an honorific title given to the King of Babel meaning morning. as holy land & it is believed there's a portal or star gate there" Even in Freemasonry when you reach high degree they say that most been taught its to be bad, instead of good. They controlled the information content, the scientists of astronomy were controlled by both the Vatican, as evidenced by Copernicus becoming a Roman Catholic priest in his later days, and the Royal Society of London, owned by the Crown of Engalnd. Native American nations and tribal governments could consider a resolution opposing the UA projectssee the NCAI resolution below. On July 10, 1990, the San Carlos Apache Tribal Council passed its first of eight resolutions in opposition to use of their sacred site and of their sacred mountain by astronomers. First, we'll look at how the Mt. (McLeod, Corbin). Before pardoning Galileo in 1992, the Vatican, in 1979 set up a Galileo Study group. The 500 year Great Lie can easily be understood in that the Vatican, the Royal Society of London and Nazi German run NASA have controlled all information from space about our place in the Universe and all stories related up until this very day. Debra Utacia Krol Arizona Republic Published 7:23 AM PDT Aug. 20,. Perhaps you can enlighten us by answering one of these basic FE doctrine related questions (and if youre really astute, why not all of them!). This was in spite of the fact that the building of telescopes on this sacred mountain by the University of Arizona and the Vatican was a controversial issue and had been the subject of . The Mauna Kea TMT another Desecration of Sacred Hawaiian Land | Kauilapele's Blog. The Catholic Encyclopedia, claims it to have a deeper significance; hence this permits them to apply it to hasatan, even though it contradicts the context of the passage. In a news report for NativeAmericansNetroots.net a member of the Mount Graham Coalition, Freathersone, states. Now do you see whythe Pope who has been caught worshiping Satanhasa telescope named Lucifer pointing towards that Nebula? Mount Graham, the colonial name for Dzi Nchaa Si'an, was part of the San Carlos Apache Reservation until 1873, when the federal government seized it by presidential executive order, deeming it. For the Apache in Arizona, one of these sacred places is Mount Graham: this place is called Dzil Nchaa Si An (Big Seated Mountain) and is mentioned in 32 of the sacred songs . Also why do they refuse to allow access to what is most probably the largest collection of ancient writings books tablets etc. The Vatican also owns most of the early books of antiquity on astronomy as well as owning the most patents on celestial observatories. And yes, its named for the Devil, whose name itself means morning star [and which] happens to be right next to the Vatican Observatory on Mt. (Stiles. On this sacred and ecologically diverse mountain the University of Arizona and other international scientists chose to build an astronomical observatory. Only fools are not subject to correction and reproof. The illusion created, connivingly convincing, has entranced the worlds population into blindly believing a maleficent myth. To get around the legal barriers of the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act, the University hired a lobbying firm to put pressure on Congress to remove this, and other, roadblocks. In the early 1980s, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as the preferred site for a huge observatory with up to 20 telescopes. The coming of settlers from the East disrupted the Apache way of life forever. almost. That's where we find peace and comfort to pray in our quiet way.". * how can they shift their movements into larger and smaller diameter paths? This tall old growth forrest of spruce, fir, and corkbark not only provides a unique ecosystem, but is a sacred land for the San Carlos Apache Indians. The church may not believe in this ancient law but its as old as the moon. This ironic conflict pits the Vatican against Apache spiritual leaders, and astronomers against biologists. It has been weeks since I asked for what should be simple proof, since the majority of the face of this earth is water. Both observing time and responsibility for VATT are shared with the University of Arizona on a 75% VORG, 25 % Arizona basis. Apache-Sitgreaves Observatory is a private facility about 60 miles east of Payson that offers viewing programs by reservation only. #24 Why Did So Many Apollo Astronots Die Mysterious Deaths in Just Three YearsTime? Lets pretend these are serious questions and you really are just curious. Tucson. The Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona) reports that the Jesuit Father Charles W. Polzer calls opposition to the construction of the telescope complex on top of Mount Graham part of a Jewish conspiracy and comes from the Jewish lawyers of the American Civil Liberties Union who are out to undermine and destroy the Catholic Church. Despite all the NTs reference to hasatan, there is never a quote from Isa 14 to substantiate their position on Satan. Back in 2010, the University of Arizona, . []. Although the Mount Graham Red Squirrel is the most prominent concern of the species needing protection on Mount Graham and throughout the Pinaleo mountain range, it is only one of 18 species found no where else. Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated that he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. 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